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Scottydog (Hive Addict) 04-20-03 15:08 No 428160	Swim's 32g (4 hour) H3PO3 rxn	Bookmark Reply
	Everything is theoretical and 100% imaginary. "Swim" in a dream, recently performed a 32g rxn with H3PO3 and pseudo FB. He used a ghetto 2 1/2 gallon bucket condenser capped off with a 16" punch balloon in an oil bath. This rxn is not nearly as exothermic as what was described in Rhodium's write-up and to bee quite honest, not even as much as a typical RP/I2 rxn. Swim used 30gs pseudo FB + 2 gs of (leftover) pseudo HCL, 45 gs I2, 37 gs H3PO3 and 33 ml dh20. A sleeve cut from a bicycle intertube was used to connect the 1" braided PVC hose that went up through the bucket to the 1000ml florence flask. Pseudo from non dry-matrix 60 mg pills with CM, cleaned via "Placebo" (full turps cure) Warm A/B ran in glass carafe on low heat and occasional stirring with glass rod. Toluene evapped on low heat to liberate the precursor. The "blue" imitation ice packets (that people normally use in their ice chests) were wrapped around the hose inside the bucket to keep it nice and cool. Swim tossed all chems together gave it a good swirl, connected the condenser and the punch balloon to the opposite end and then turned up the heat. Like JohnDee described in his feedback in a previous thread, this rxn goes on visual signs of activity within the flask. Looking at the thermometer and only monitoring temp is not enough. The first bubbles formed when the oil bath reached approx 87°C. Within 45 min he reached 100°C until the activity started to die which was about 15 minutes. Heat was brought up to 110°C for about 15 min. Then up to 115°C. When this temperature was reached the activity inside the flask reminded him of the kind of activity that one might expect from an RP/I2 rxn. The bubbles started to turn from clear to yellow and the dark iodine colored rxn fluid started to fade to yellow. After what seemed like 1 1/2 hrs, the activity started to slow and the temp kicked up to 120°C, after 15-20 min started to slow and then up it went to 125°C. Swim was reading in TSE and believes the reflux temp of HI to bee 126-127°C? Anyway he figured this is the temp he did not care to necessarily surpass. At 125°C reactivity slowed to a snail's pace and the big bubbles were small and few and far between. The color looked dark at the bottom (Iodine) and yellow/transparent on top. No red coloring entered the hose at any time whatsoever and the balloon reached the size of a grapefruit. Up until this time, only clear liquid recondensed back into the florence. Zero Activity! What the hell, fire it up to 130°C, still nothing. Disconnected from clamp stand and removed from electric fryer and gave it a swirl still nothing. Excess iodine started to rain down the flask and felt he should drop it back down to 125°C and let it sit for a half hour. Above times and intervals are not exact. Temperature control regulated solely on visual signs and indications of activity within the flask. Total elapsed time 4 hrs and 20 min. Coincidentally tomorrow is 4-20, right? Swim turned off the fryer and let the (set-up) sit while he got some rest. Post rxn work-up proceeded the following day by pouring off into a mason jar. Hot dh20 was added to the flask and swirled 3x to make sure he got all the goods. A kind of clear waxy-like residue remained stuck to flask walls after removal of the fluid? Whatever that shit was... The yellow transparent liquid was washed 4x with xylene and pooled together and put to the side just in case. The first washes pulled brown excess iodine and the last two pulled a yellow coloring. Fresh Xylene was added, with an equal portion of dh20. When the dh20 hit the rxn fluid it turned a straightup mustard color! 6 heaping teaspoons of lye were added, lid capped and shaken to death. This Xylene NP layer was isolated to a 2nd canning jar and washed x3 with dh2O to removed excess sodium ions. An equal portion of fresh dh2O was added to the now clean NP layer and muriatic titrated until the PH read 6. This water layer was fine filtered through Charmin TP and evapped on low heat. After flashing with tone and two more acetone boils, 32 gs went in and 20.5 gs super-clean, snow white crystalline MA back out! Swim just got back from Guinea Pig's garage and his old lady says it is some of the best tasting gear she has ever smoked. Crack's back fast and sharp with long legs. The high is described as smooooth. He will check back with them tomorrow to confirm an approximate duration of the overall effects. Swim sees no reason why a balloon cannot just bee simply slapped on a flask, eliminating the need for a condenser. Thanks go out to the chief bee (Rhodium), Geezmeister, Foxy2, WarethefuckamI/Dwarfer and feedback from JohnDee. Oh yeah, a plastic spoon and regular "wax paper" works excellent to weigh out the H3PO3. The 45 gs of I2 (1.5 pts) was overkill. 1.25 pts should bee perfect! Swim would recommend scaling up to 3x this rxn size. This rxn is most definately tame! Hope this helps the swarm. 55 min until 420, don't forget to load them bowls and let the smoking begin! ________ Room 101



halfkast (Newbee) 04-20-03 22:47 No 428182	^^Thats SO fucken excellent man what you can...	Bookmark Reply
	^^Thats SO fucken excellent man what you can do by yourself in your dream, congrats. You RULE and you know how to dream a phat pile of powder! Have a bright colored sticker... Just wanted to say you inspire and motivate as the first reply.



geezmeister (Bee of the Month) 04-21-03 03:15 No 428211	now tell me	Bookmark Reply
	NOW tell me why you waited so damn long to try this, SD! Hee Hee. Stuff is nice, isn't it? Mostly harmless



SHORTY (Hive Bee) 04-21-03 04:22 No 428219	Good Job	Bookmark Reply
	Excellent Writeup! Swim sees no reason why a balloon cannot just bee simply slapped on a flask, eliminating the need for a condenser. I agree, I stopped using a condenser on the H3PO2 rxn and didn't have any problems. Much easeier to work with without have to clamp/unclamp this and that. I just stick the balloon right on the flask as you mentioned. I like your detailed descriptions of the rxn, you answered a number of questions and confirmed alot of assumptions i have been pondering on the "rp-free" rxns. It wasn't Me!



wareami (Hive Addict) 04-21-03 13:28 No 428296	Excellent Work Bro!	Bookmark Reply
	Fuck...If you bees keep it UP...y'all are gonna have UP-AWE-NITE labs lookin like a...err..uh...well...A LAB! Scotty: It seems as though SWISD's suspicion was correct about the little amount of pressure created! Just remember about doing away with the condensor soas to not stress the neck of the flask! Those punch balloons can bee restricting. Stopper and Tube it straight to the balloon. The first thing Ibee noticed was large ratio of Pupils at the dance. Ibee has to head off to the supply store to get some magic stuff soon! Thanx for the positive E-Stir Report! Peace of the reaction Have FUN-Bee SAFE Empty the prisons: make room for Congress! https://www.chemhead.org/



Rhodium (Chief Bee) 04-22-03 07:26 No 428467	Impressed, but not fully convinced yet	Bookmark Reply
	Interesting that you got such a high yield in only four hours. Do you have any means to check if the product doesn't contain any unreacted pseudoephedrine or iodoephedrine?



Scottydog (Hive Addict) 04-22-03 08:46 No 428492	Good question...	Bookmark Reply
	Good question chief! Swis thought the same thing at first. No pinwheels in the evap only home plate formations. Beeing that it was only a dream and Swis doesn't use stimulants, he is going on theoretical street feedback and local peer review. Guinea Pig and his test subjects know first hand the effects of "Super E" from fast, dry RP/I2 rxns that are pulled too soon. (Shut down while there is still marked activity in the flask) Swis made sure not one bubble was emitted at a peak of 130°C, additional stirring in the end and also after having set at 125°C for a half hour after the last bubble was observed. JohnDee also attested to the fact that no IodoE was present at the end of his dream. No heart pounding or substantial increase in blood pressure which is genuinely associated with pseudoephedrine contaminants. (No headaches) which would also bee a tell tale sign. Also the taste! Everyone knows the taste of pseudo. Honestly, people prefer the honey produced from an RP/I2 synth over the honey produced from the H3PO3. Why that was found to be true is beyond me. Honey is honey is honey, right? Different routes same molecule? Weather it bee via NH3, RP, Urushibara, H3PO2, H3PO3, L-PAC. The exception P2P being dl-MA racemic? Or are they all slightly different in their own way? Chirality? I can't be for certain because I am no chemist and don't have a GC/MS. Maybe Swis should relapse after 10 yrs of sobriety and try it out? Bring on the feedback chief, so we can all learn together... All the responses are greatly appreciated. One thing is for sure, chem suppliers are starting to tighten up on acquisition and street prices are hitting an all time low. L-PAC is his next pursuit, that and of course sodium sulfite. hehe ___________ Refuse/Resist



Rhodium (Chief Bee) 04-22-03 09:03 No 428499	meth is meth is meth	Bookmark Reply
	Honey is honey is honey, right? Different routes same molecule? Weather it bee via NH3, RP, Urushibara, H3PO2, H3PO3, L-PAC. The exception P2P being dl-MA racemic? Or are they all slightly different in their own way? Other than P2P meth being racemic, there is no difference whatsoever between the product regardless of the method of preparation. The only thing that differ is the contaminants produced by the different routes, and for some users, a certain contaminant like iodoephedrine for example "needs" to be included for the drug to produce exactly the effects desired by him (because that's probably the mixture he learned to like). The same reason makes some people dig regular amphetamine but not meth and vice versa. However, regardless of the exact preferences of your customers, you should always strive to produce the purest methamphetamine possible, as all the common contaminants are significantly more toxic to the body & brain than methamphetamine itself, and should be avoided if at all possible.



Scottydog (Hive Addict) 04-22-03 09:24 No 428507	Thanks Rhodium	Bookmark Reply
	Thanks Rhodium, that is kind of what I suspected. People have been doing "the bunk" for sooo long that they assume it to be pure. They have become literally addicted to contaminants. Since contaminants are all they have really been accustomed to, they wouldn't know what pure unadulterated MA was if it was still smoldering in their pipe. Those that of course are not intraveneous users or do not frequent the-Hive. Unless it is 50/50 artificially produced MSM clear "shards", the uninformed and uneducated smokers are skeptical. ___________ Refuse/Resist



johndee (Newbee) 04-22-03 15:08 No 428566	regarding degree of completion	Bookmark Reply
	Well done Scotty! SwiJD is a bit sensitive to stimulants in general and particularly to efed/pfed, (can't even stand them as meds!) iodofed will nearly gag him - the biting metallic/chlorinish taste of unconverted product. A confirmed fan of benzodiazepines beer and pot, SwiJD's recent works began with a simple RP/I to demonstrate to some younger acquaintances the truth of the matter. SwiJD thought he was knowledgeable in such things, since he remembered liquid injectable Methedrine coming from MX in the 70's. Though he was not immediately successful with the RP/I, there were not too many failures either. Titration was not a good plan for SwiJDs temperament though. Once SwiJD had (for the very first time!) gassed to toluene and washed and recrystallised, guess who got the education then? How do legitimate companies manage to purvey such dirty crap? Slop is sort of expected from black marketeers, but the quality of SwiJDs recent work (last 3 years) has been so high that his friends and associates have been re-educated as to what this substance really is, when properly prepared. By implication he now wonders just how sloppy the prep of many consumer pharms is? A disturbing thought to say the least, sometimes. SwiJD used to use a large excess of RP and I, temps to the high side, long reactions to assure no impartial conversion. He is proud to say his work is considered the gourmet grade around these parts, which includes several medium sized cities. Never leaves anything on foil, easy comedown, few "repetitive motion" problems, easy to eat, no edgy feeling, no sweats. The dead giveaway to unconverted product (excepting that godawful taste!) are the tightness in the jaw, the warmth behind the eyes. The exact symptoms SwiJD gets from a dose of those godawful sinus medications, hmmm. As said in another thread, Iodofed also will crystallise from toluene in a different manner than the desired result. It forms looking grainy ( meth looks fluffy!) then runs and clings to the glass, and forms no frosty feathery patterns when crystallizing. A light shone closely on properly converted product shows a flake structure built of many snowflake like crystals, mashed out of shape by the filtering process. Good clean properly converted product has a rainbow sheen to it, the prismatic affect of this crystal structure seen under close lighting. If that prismatic colored shine is not there or it is dull, then the conversion could have been more complete. Iodofed has no shine - has a horrible taste! causes the tightness in the jaw and warm feeling in the head behind the eyes. SwiJD assures you all, particularly you Rhodium, near complete conversion should never be a problem. He has had one incomplete reaction since beginning work with the Ortho-p. That was the result of having to break down EQ unexpectedly after only 45 minutes of reaction time. Emergency and all, could not be helped. Funny thing, SwiJD still has not had time to go back to that batch and collect the Iodofed for further reaction. He is too busy running new reactions, and it will take some time to reclaim the precursor. The proportions he is presently running are 1 to 1 pfed to DH2O, and 1.2 on both Ortho-p acid and I2. There are bound to be some freak Iodofed molecules, but very few, believe it! Far fewer than the most skilled RP/I reaction SwiJD could run. If SwiJD told us the time he is now running for completion, from the time the mix goes together to the time it is pulled from heat, when a thick bright yellow oil foams at the edges of the reaction, and overall reaction dynamics slow from BUSY to peaceful - well, SwiJD says you bees will just have to see for yourselves, cause he feels his success stretches the boundaries of believability already. Cause yield is like way over 60% too. SwiJD is getting 60% return just from the recrystallised result of initial gassings alone. Then add in the results of slow crystallization AND a second trip to the A/B beaker a couple of days later. But shhhhh - don't tell anyone! "I didn't see a thing, nothing at all! And NO Black Cadillac that is for sure!"

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